Tuesday, 26 June 2012

New Citadel Paints?

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OK, so I have some temporary lights (not bright enough) a dining chair (too high) an old table (too small) and some of the new Citadel paints. Oh, and some EM-4 brushes, plus some Citadel ones I picked up at the only FLGS near my office.

yeah, this is a bit of a rant. I have begun painting some unreleased minis and some GZG Crusties alongside them as you can see in the Photo stream on the right... And boy do I miss my regular hobby kit.

The 2012 range of new Citadel paint is supposedly a complete system, including washes, dry compounds and layering shades. The paint characteristics and tones are quite different to their previous ranges. I like to be open minded, and normally use paints from several manufacturers, but I can say that the new Citadel range has been a big letdown for me. I'll summarize:

Base black: Simultaneously too goopy and too thin. Weird.
Necron compound: "Dry"? more like a lump of jelly with water sitting on top. Useless.
Washes: Dry too shiny and about 1/2 as strong as the old washes. Needs at least 2 coats.
Astrogranite "texture": Grey paint with sand in it. Regret purchase.

The Em-4 brushes are good, but I needed a small drybrush and a standard brush.. I was forced by lunch hour travel restrictions/flgs proximity to buy Citadel brushes ($8 each) for these purposes. Money I should have saved.. The citadel standard brush is a splayed mess that won't hold a point and the drybrush is too delicate and thin. Grr.

They will do for now, and I can work around the drawbacks, but I'm going to be looking forward to my older paint, brush and other goodies collection arriving in July, and in future I'll be buying the rest of my paint online. Probably Vallejo (which I currently use a lot anyway) and Army painter.

The figures Im working on are coming out well, but it's taking a lot longer than what I'm used to. 

22 comments:

  1. Hi, Jacker. You are starting to get your groove-on again! Yeah!!

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    1. Thanks Jay..I should have all my supplies and gear by late July.. Why didn't I bring my pro-create!? Aggh!!

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  2. Not much consolation, but nice to have you back. Look forward to you getting your paint kit and never hearing about the new GW paints again.

    I am off everything GW I don't already own, when my 3 bottles of devlan mud are gone, not sure what i will do.

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    1. Hear hear, LA. I'll struggle along for the moment, it's just more work than I'd like. ;)

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  3. I can echo your sentiments on the washes, much weaker pigment needing more applications. I haven't seen any moisture in the two pots of dry paint I picked up, but they take some technique adjustment and I don't care for the selection of colors; they're all very washed out (perhaps an attribute of the base compund?). I tried using the Palesun dry and it just dulled and muddied up the basecoat I applied it over.

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    1. I think the "dry" and other effect style paints are terrible. The washes are mainly dissapointing because the last ones were so damn good. The new ones have their uses, but are just not as useful as the previous ones.

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  4. Yes, the new range is a huge disappointment. I'm sticking to Vellajo, using my old inks until they're used up, and making my own afterwords. Ive started using the three Army Painter inks as well. Soft is a good sepia sub, strong is pretty much Devlan Mud and Dark almost stands in for black.
    Maybe worth trying them out, Spacejacker?

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  5. not tried any of the new paints yet, but this seems to be the global consensus at the moment I may have to seek my paints elsewhere from now on

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    1. I really wouldn't bother with them. I kind of wish I'd just ordered a set of "proper" paints online and saved the almost hundred bucks I spent on this lot. Gulp!

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  6. I'm glad you're back again and that GW paints are shit as I already quit their range in favour of Vallejo and Army Painter. I have in front of me the new washes of Army Painter that I ordered to Troll trader and I'll be using them as soon as my Devlan Mud runs out :)

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    1. I was very happy with the previous range, but yes, I'm all Vallejo and AP from here on out.

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  7. I found that the local bargain shop had some quite good brushes. Nothing suitable for very fine work, but a pack of 15 brushes for £1 included 3 types:

    coarse bristled suitable for scenery painting

    gold taklon very good for vehicles

    fine bristles excellent for drubrushing figures when snipped to half-length with a pair of scissors

    There are 5 of each type, ranging from size 2 or thereabouts up to about size 5, some round but some flat. The flat taklon brushes are expecially good for doing vehicles quickly.

    They look a bit poor when you buy them but after a quick wash in warm soapy water they come out nicely, and for such a cheap price it doesn't really matter if they're only suitable for doing scenery!

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    1. I managed to find a pack of brushes in a discount store for $6.50. They will be excellent for scenery and are the perfect size for drybrushing too. I'm going to get a few more from Em-4 too, they have worked out very nicely.

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  8. "Necron compound: "Dry"? more like a lump of jelly with water sitting on top. Useless."

    Something like this should be returnable to the store. It sounds like it settled too much in transit. You're probably stuck with the others. If you weren't expecting your real kit to arrive soonish, I'd offer to mail you some good brushes...

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    1. The hassle and expense of going into town to do this outweighs the benefit unfortunately. It's OK.. I managed to find some older paint in another shop and the clock is ticking down to my kit arriving. Thanks all the same Allison, very good of you chap!

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  9. I discovered the Secret Weapon Miniatures washes. Better than the new GW stuff. They come in vallejo style bottles, and there is a ton of colours to pick from, even pink. I don't understand why Gw got rid of Devlin Mud, the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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    1. Because they really don't have any idea about what its customers really care about. I hadn't bought a GW item in years til I tried the new(old)washes and I bought every Devlan Mud I could when I could find them in stock. So I know everybody else was buying them too.

      Look at the damn order codes, and keep the stuff that people are using. You might sell stuff that way. Frustrating. Sorry SJ didn't mean to rant.

      I'll look into these Beccas and the Army Painter ones as well.Wish Vallejo had better washes. I do like their flesh wash though.

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    2. Indeed. I have doe some more painting and am working on an online purchase plan!

      Lead Addict: No problem dude.. I'm mainly annoyed because I really liked their previous range. Everybody needs to rant a bit from time to time... This post was basically a rant :)

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  10. I had just bought the Imperial Primer technical pain when I read this. So it was with some trepidation I tried it yesterday.

    First try, a mess. There were hardly no pigments left on the brush, despite shaking the bottle as I usually do. So I shook it some more, like a madman, and it got better.

    But here's the strange thing: the paint behaved like a glaze. It would actually do quite good service as a black Devlan Mud. But primer? Noooo.... it took three coats to even approach something like a good coverage, and when it had dried there were some bare spots that the paint had "crept" from. And if you applied too much it just pooled in the nooks and crannies like a wash, what the hell???

    I mean, I might be missing something here. Maybe it's a very good primer if you apply it using the correct technique, a technique that so far nobody on the internet has heard of, and will only be revealed through a series of how-to-paint DVD, I don't know. BUT I HAVE BEEN PAINTING FIGURES AND MODELS FOR NEARLY 30 YEARS AND I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO RE-LEARN HOW TO BASECOAT FIGURES!!!


    Ahem, sorry about that. I'll stick with Vallejo, Foundry and Coat d'Arms in the future I think.

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    1. Sounds like the old "smelly primer".. A paint inferior in all ways to Skull White. I don't get it either. I have been struggling with abbadon black... A paint which is much thicker and gloopier than the older foundation paint, YET IS SOMEHOW THINNER AND COVERS WORSE! I think it's something to do with the medium they are suspending all their "additional pigment" in. Basically, it is either crap or perhaps tap water.

      About 50% of my paints are Vallejo, I like the way they work and I really like the dropper bottles, as for 15mm I only use very small amounts.

      All is not lost, I have almost finished my first 2 units, and they came out just fine... It was just disconcerting trying to use this crummy new range of paint.

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  11. I'm stunned to read that, I mean, I havent purchased a GW/citadel product in the past 15/20 years (literally) other than a bottle of devlan mud and that was under heavy recomendations.

    Now I've heard somewhere base abbadon black is better than the previous range chaos black and it has a nice matt effect to it, so I decided to replace my almost empty vallejo game color black for that GW's base stuff... then I read your opinion (wich I widely respect) and feel way confused.

    I was a bit excited about getting some candy from citadel again but I might just get vallejo MODEL color instead.

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